Episode 76: How to Deal with the Emotional Pain of Love and Relationships

Intro (00:03):

Hey, thanks for coming. Welcome to the Love Shack.

 

Staci (00:14):

Hey, welcome to the Love Shack. It's a little old place where we get to get together, explore fresh perspectives, and eavesdrop on juicy conversations as we discover the things that really matter while having a little bit of fun along the way. This is episode number 76, and we're gonna be talking about how to deal with emotional pain and love in our relationships.

 

Tom (00:38):

Absolutely inside the Love Shack today, we're gonna be sharing chapters five and six with Staci's new upcoming book, and it's gonna be launching here next week if you're listening live. So you don't wanna miss that.

 

Staci (00:49):

We're often told at a young age that emotional pain is bad and should be avoided at all costs. But what if emotional pain can actually help us grow? What a crazy radical thought, right? What if there are ways for us to use our emotional pain to a huge advantage towards who it is. We have the capacity to be

 

Tom (01:14):

Absolutely today in the Love Shack Staci and I are gonna teach you how to deal with the emotional pain of love and relationships. And we're gonna discuss why emotional pain is not something that we can avoid and help you find the nuggets of gold. And I know stay with us. We're gonna help you understand that and provide you with some tips for managing it in a very healthy way.

 

Staci (01:35):

Hi, we're Tom and Staci Bartley. For those of you who are new to this show, welcome. It is great to have you here with us and a shout out to all of our regular listeners. We send you all, some love for helping us promote the show and spread some love around. We are committed to helping couples rescue their relationships so that they can finally create long-lasting love without having to spend hours analyzing their past experiences, beating themselves up or their partners, or feeling like they are making no progress in their relationships whatsoever. We do this via sharing our unique frameworks, teaching new skills and tools in one-on-one sessions, and through our signature courses, relationship rescue, and love for a lifetime. It is great to be here with you. Stay tuned as we are going to expand your paradigm and perspective in regards to all this emotional hubbub about feelings. We'll be right back.

 

Ad Man (02:43):

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Staci (04:05):

Hey babe, did you know that the average couple spends only two hours a day with each other? And the majority of that time is spent eating, watching TV, and surfing social media rather than connecting with each other. And if children are involved, my gosh, it's even less time than that.

 

Tom (04:19):

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Tom (04:44):

Welcome back. We are Tom and Staci Bartley, host of Love Shack live great to have you inside the Love Shack. We've got our engineer, Eric Rider at spaceship KKNW. We are talking about chapters five and six of Staci's upcoming book, which is called. Are you feeling like your marriage is dead? Now just take a pause. The subtitle, which is very compelling and important is a divorce mediator's guide to ensuring a lifetime of love. And you can find out all about that at lifetimeoflove.me when it launches, it's going to be free on Amazon for the first five days. So just go ahead and sign up and we'll let you know when it's available to download.

 

Staci (05:26):

Yeah. And since we're talking about this right now, before we dive into our topic here, there is going to be a tremendous amount of resources that are available through the book. So you could literally turn your relationship around if you were to get the book for free and then dive into the resources on that page, just to give you a super tip. Today what we're gonna dive into in the heart of a matter is we are all experiencing emotional pain because it's part of being human. And especially when we experience it in our romantic relationships, it can cause us to do a bit of reeling. And there's a reason for that, but how are we supposed to manage it? And is it even possible to manage this? And so today we're gonna discuss how to stop feeling like your emotional pain is derailing your life and your relationship. We're gonna also provide you with some tips and tricks for managing it in the most productive way possible. The truth is you and I have always had the capacity to do this. The problem is we have simply never been taught how to effectively utilize what I call our human navigation system. So today we're gonna dive into helping you understand what your human navigation system is. So that time we're done with this episode in the Love Shack, you're gonna be able to start implementing it into your own life. So here's the truth. Emotional pain is normal. It's something that we all experience as a human and there are reasons why we find it to be so difficult and it can become so paralyzing and confusing and unsettling.

 

Tom (07:10):

And I would say that, over our years of working and we're blessed and privileged to do so with our private clients. You correct me if I'm wrong, babe. This is an area that when you are to explain and share with our clients, how we're, how we are wired as human beings, and we're gonna get into that. But most of us, when we experience emotional pain, I would say the majority of us, flee. I mean, we run, we do everything we can to suppress it. And what we want you to know first and foremost. And again, I'm always the common sense person cuz I'm living with this woman and it's not quite as easy for me to get my arms around it as it is for Staci is this is a very normal process. There's nothing to be afraid of or think that something's wrong or you pick the wrong partner or you're always are to be, you know, jinxed if you will. This is very, very normal and to think otherwise is quite frankly, you're kind of living in the land of Santa Claus.

 

Staci (08:09):

Well, and, and we've been taught to live in that land because we are not taught a lot about our emotional body or human navigation system. And you know, ladies and gentlemen, that's a perspective about squashing it about wanting to set it aside about, you know, give, give me the data, give me the facts. That's an example of my wonderful husband who is very thought-provoking. He's very analytical. He's very logical. So guess which one is the emotional person in the relationship. Me, right? And this highlights the navigation system perfectly now, not only is this present in all relationships, but it's also present in each and every one of you. So here's the thing. While pain can seem like a negative thing and we've been taught that emotional pain is, you know, I, the saying that comes to my mind that many of my clients have shared with me is if you're gonna cry, I'm gonna give you something to cry about. Does anybody relate to that one? As though emotional pain or the place that I'm feeling, where I'm at, and what I'm crying about is never to be discussed. It's never to be explored and it's never to be understood.

 

Tom (09:21):

And let me just interject, please understand and hear me clearly. I am not at all saying that emotional pain. Yes. It's normal, but it, yes, it is painful that absolutely. I am not trying to say that, you know, just blow it up. No, no, no, but we can learn. And this is the intent of this episode to learn, to use this as a navigation system. So to learn, to navigate through this painful situation is what it's all about. So absolutely, believe me. I'm right there with you. I am not at all trying, please emotional pain is some of it. It can literally bring you to of your knees and it has me and it has Staci. So I'm not trying to say that, but rather than thinking that we're, you know, we're one of only a few. This is a very, very normal process. And we want you to expand your paradigm and understand how you can use it to learn and grow and practice and help you become stronger yourself as well as your partner.

 

Staci (10:15):

Absolutely. The truth is our emotions are communicating to us daily almost minute by minute, what works for us and what doesn't work. We can then begin to use them constructively once we understand and embrace this simple truth. And by doing this, they will actually help to make us stronger. So allow us to right now, drum roll, please explore our human navigation system.

 

Tom (10:44):

See Yahoo, that's our engineer. He doesn't miss a beat.

 

Staci (10:49):

So your human navigation system is comprised of your physical body and brace yourself for an emotional body that's just as real as your physical body is with one exception. Your emotional body is invisible. It's something we feel and experience. And so that's why it gets negated very, very often.

 

Tom (11:13):

And that's why it's very, very shifty.

 

Staci (11:15):

It can be very shifty, but our physical body, we primarily use that to live life because it makes sense to us as human beings, we can touch it. We can feel it. We can measure it. We can compare it. We can analyze it. We can test it. We can do lots of things with our physical bodies and okay, if you and I are gonna have a discussion, gonna be much easier. If we pull out evidence, if we do a test, if we gather our friends and get their perspectives, right? These are all physical examples of where I end and you begin, and we're gonna come to some kind of a conclusion based on logic. Easy Peasy. In relationships though. That's not where our problems lie. Although we fight through that lens, our problems lie in the emotional experiences in my emotional body. My emotional body is invisible. Don't discount it though, because so is oxygen. And it's pretty important. It's not something that we can tangibly measure, although we would love to it's something we feel. And so when we feel a connection, it's a feeling thing. We can also understand when our connection between two people starts to atrophy. We understand that, right? That makes sense to us because it's a feeling experience. Our emotional bodies are fluid. And as Tom said, you know, you use the word shifty. I would say dynamic. They can shapeshift on us and they can time travel forwards or backward in a nanosecond. And so we all have an emotional body and we all have a physical body. And thank goodness for us as human beings, that if we understand how the physical body works, it gives us a huge leg up in regards to how our emotional bodies work because they're very similar. They're the same, same. Probably until this moment. You didn't really give it a name as an emotional body, but it is, we all have one ethereal body, emotional body, spiritual body. We have lots of different names and guess what's so fascinating for me, is if you were to dive into the world of anthropology, you would find that every culture, every tribe, every country, every religion has a name for this emotional body that we refer to. So different names, similar experiences as a human being, navigating it from day-to-day. Make sense?

 

Tom (13:53):

Yes. So could you say the invisible, but very important part of our daily experience?

 

Staci (14:00):

Absolutely. That's your emotional body now, when it comes to us as human beings, we have a developed navigation system, usually on one side or the other. We're either very logical or analytical. We want this to make sense. We wanna be strategic. You know, I don't necessarily value the emotional experience as a human being, because I know that it's gotten me into trouble. It's created problems. It's created fights, right. It sends me on these paths that were unexpected. All of a sudden I'm in a place. I didn't realize we're having a conversation I don't wanna have, like, we understand its ability to take us places that maybe we didn't really wanna go, or we didn't see coming. And so because of its unpredictable nature, we tend to shy away from it. Enough said?

 

Tom (14:48):

Yeah. So the kind of in your, in your well regarded or well-identified personality tests and such that the, if you're logical, you would be more of a left-brain person.

 

Staci (15:00):

Yes, absolutely. And, and I'm, I'm smart and I want it to make sense and I wanna do it based on the data. And I wanna research and I, I want this to be.

 

Tom (15:09):

Would you say I'm a left-brain person?

 

Staci (15:11):

Yes. And you're also a very emotional person when we can flip the switch. And that's the thing I wanna highlight here. All of us have both of these components, whether they're developed to their capacity or not is another question entirely. We all have the ability to do this. We all have the capacity to do this, but, but we have to develop the ability to go both ways. Okay. Right. We want to develop the ability to go both ways in my navigation system because that's where I find a sense of balance. The emotions don't necessarily, you know, freak me out. I can go there. I can share it with you there. And babe, you absolutely have the ability to do that. And, and then if and when necessary, I can go to the logic as well, because here's the other side. So one side of the navigation system is the logic, the strategy, the process, how it's gonna go type or side of ourselves. That's our thinking side, our brain side, our physical side, the other side is the emotional side. And probably all of us in our sphere of influence know people who drowned in their emotions. It's so emotional. We can't make any progress. You know, it's so emotional that sometimes it gets crazy and it doesn't. It doesn't move the needle. And we're like, oh my gosh, time out right now. Right. and that's an overdeveloped emotional side of the equation as well. Right? So we all know somebody like that. What's interesting is in our navigation system, if we can really understand its service to us, we would understand that when I'm emotionally drowning, I need to get more logical. I need to make a decision. I need to take some action. Right? I need to get going instead of continuing to dive into these emotions, deeper and deeper, if I'm too logical, I'm running around like a crazy person with a to-do list and a task list that's like 37 miles long. And I don't even wanna stop and think about how this makes me feel or what works for me emotionally, or what's going on in that side of myself. And so I run around with a daily to-do list that is astronomical. And I get outta balance either direction. The last thing I wanna do is sit down and spend some time with my emotions. Like that seems crazy. Why would like, why would anybody do that?

 

Tom (17:39):

And would you say that when we are pressed, certainly on the emotional spectrum of our life experience, whatever side of the human navigation system that we err on or lean-to, we're gonna default to that?

 

Staci (17:54):

100%. And you're pointing to, we're gonna, we're gonna step into that conversation, but just notice where you live right now. Are you more on the emotional side or are you more on the logical side?

 

Tom (18:05):

What would be, and let's say someone says I'm not really quite sure, what would be a good, quick barometer test that you could ask yourself?

 

Staci (18:12):

Well, physical, logical is I'm strategic. I want it to make sense. Emotions kind of scare me. Don't really wanna go there. I notice, especially as we're talking that I am busy, I'm doing, I'm creating, right. I'm doing lots of activities in my physical experience. And when somebody says, Hey, let's talk, let's share, let's get cushy, cushy, you go, oh, I don't know about that.

 

Tom (18:38):

So a logical person right now in this very moment could be multitasking while they're listening or watching us?

 

Staci (18:43):

100%. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah, absolutely. They're out looking for answers for their relationship, but please don't tell me, how does that make you feel like my brain is gonna go, I'm gonna blow a gasket.

 

Tom (18:54):

And then if you're on the other side, on the emotional side of the human navigation system,

 

Staci (18:59):

The other side is please, you know, tell me how you feel. I just wanna know how you feel. I don't wanna hear about all the logic. I just, it would mean so much to me and I, I just, I can't do it because it makes me feel such and such a way, or I don't feel good about it, or, I can't go there. And so those are old truths and I might even be in a place where maybe I'm struggling with a lot of anxiety where I'm struggling with a lot of depression and I'm kind of drowning in all this emotional fodder. We get drowning in that. And then I stay there and I don't realize my counterbalance is to do something physical, which brings me to point out our navigation system. They are the counterbalances. And I believe that we should learn this stuff when we're little kids. And if I have my way with my legacy, while I'm here alive on this planet, I'm gonna ensure that this changes, because it is so critically important to understand that you do have a navigation system and it will support you like this. If it makes sense and it feels good, we take a step and go forward. If it doesn't make any sense but feels good. Maybe I need to get some more understanding and clarity or maybe I know that this is just what's best and I can't make any sense of it. And I move forward. If it doesn't make right feel good at all and makes a lot of sense. I want to get some more clarity gain, some more understanding before I move forward, about what doesn't work and what does work for me, the emotional side of the equation. The brain is an incredible helper to help us create the strategy, but a horrible barometer in regards to where am I and what works for me and doesn't work for me emotionally. So I need both to counterbalance and find a sense of what we would say peace, balance inside of ourselves because without it we're always gonna feel out of kilter.

 

Tom (20:59):

So let me just so back up a few sentences there. So if I heard you correctly and just to make sure for the listeners that are tracking you, you gave a couple of different scenarios. And what I heard is, so whatever's wherever we lean, you know, more naturally or more typically if that's feeling right from that side of our navigation system, but unsure on the other side, that's the indicators so, and either place, whether it's logical or emotional.

 

Staci (21:27):

Yes, exactly. So if it makes sense, I'm gonna go, but I'm gonna negate all the emotional repercussions of that. If I'm a logical physical person.

 

Tom (21:34):

Or the other way?

 

Staci (21:35):

Or the other way, I'm drowning in emotions. And I refuse to take any action or think it through or get strategic. So we're out of balance on either side. And I just wanna point out here that balance is more like a place we have to achieve through daily repetition. I want you to think of balance like brushing your teeth, taking a poop, right? Doing the laundry, taking out the trash, just because I had a balance or a sense of balance inside of myself yesterday, doesn't mean I'm gonna have it today. It's an ongoing revolution. Balance is a verb and it's a place where I'm gonna need to reposition myself. Hence the navigation system. And so many of us make decisions, especially in the emotional realm, which love there couldn't be a more emotional realm that we live in. We're good with it. On the front side, we take this magic carpet ride emotionally, but then as time goes on, it becomes very, very logical. The emotion kind of leaves the relationship and we get into a tasking of, did you pay this bill? Did you drop the kids off at school? Did you get the summer vacation planned? Did you take the trash out? Are you gonna do the dishes? How are we gonna divide these shores? And it becomes a task checking instead of an emotional sharing of experiences, which by the way, is what got you in this mess in the first place, right? It's what brought you here to this life that you've been investing in physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and without knowing that we have a human navigation system, it's really, really difficult to navigate ourselves through the challenge that is gonna be inevitable, the pain that's gonna be inevitable, right? And the ability to find a sense of wonder and peace and excitement and joy that we always hope relationships bring, but oftentimes very much disappoints us because we don't understand this human process.

 

Tom (23:26):

Okay. So I think I've got my arms around this and ladies and gentlemen, I've heard this many, many times, but so we've got a navigation system that includes both our physical body and our emotional body. Okay. That I can, that makes sense to me, logically.

 

Staci (23:41):

And it can be a counterbalance. It needs to be a counterbalance because sometimes I need to get more emotional. That's my way through, as far as coming up with my best resolutions ideas, and strategies, and sometimes I need to get more emotional or more logical depending on where you are in your own place of balance,

 

Tom (24:02):

But specific to the painful parts of our relationship journey, that's going to obviously fall, you know, side-on or fall into the emotional part of our navigation system. And you correct me if I'm wrong. When the clients that come and see us, they have a significant, or maybe whatever amount of dis-ease in that area of their navigation system. And they're not sure how to, other than what they have the few skills or really lack of any skills, how to navigate this. And oftentimes they're at a place of maybe breaking point.

 

Staci (24:40):

Absolutely. There's been so much emotional resentment, disappointment pain, etcetera. Finally, when they can't take it anymore, they come and show up at my door and they're still trying to solve the problem, this emotional problem through a physical lens. So it shows up like this, we're fighting about the dishes always being left in the sink, or the fact that the words you say make me feel such and such and dismantle me, or you don't understand me. Right? One in fact, a client is coming to mind right now where he's very logical. He's, he's wanting this to make sense. And he doesn't have a lot of tolerance for emotions. The wife is just wanting him to emotionally connect with her. That was that that would be the greatest gift he could ever give her. And he refuses to go there. And so he's always banging on here about the division of labor and the division of duties, and who's doing more and why that's so, and that causes her to emotionally feel than or minimized. And he can't understand, look, it's just logic, right? Let's just calculate the hours. Let's just calculate the tasks. And he's thinking, if you could just do more of these things for me through the physical lens, we're all gonna feel better. And she's saying, no, no, no, that can't be the answer. If you can connect with me more emotionally over here, that's absolutely gonna be the answer for our relationship. And I want you to realize they're both right. They both have an input and a contribution to the relationship that it would behoove both of them to okay, and understand where the other one is coming from. But until we understand the navigation system, it's nearly impossible for us to go there.

 

Tom (26:26):

And once we understand that navigation system and when we have been triggered emotionally, which typically was how people arrive at our door, if you will, it's going to take some, some understanding, number one of what you've just laid out for us. And then number two, getting to this place of emotion because what we tend to find most people do is argue over the circumstances or the logical side of this perceived problem. When ultimately the answer is on the emotional side.

 

Staci (26:54):

Yes. 100%. It's not so much that you left the dishes in the sink. It's the way that the dishes and the sink make me feel.

 

Tom (27:03):

Now, wait a minute. Now that makes me feel statement, Mrs. Barley drives you crazy. So how is that appropriate in our conversation?

 

Staci (27:11):

I know.

 

Tom (27:13):

Your skin crawls like nails on a chalkboard. When typically everyone says, I don't wanna go sit on someone's couch and it's a smelly couch and it's old and ask them, have them ask me how that makes me feel.

 

Staci (27:26):

Yes, that's true. I so agree with you.

 

Tom (27:28):

So bring some distinction there for us.

 

Staci (27:30):

I do wanna bring some distinction there because the reality is we can't just go to, how does that make you feel without understanding why I'm asking you the question it's infuriating. And so when we start to understand and uncover the human navigation system, and I realize and understand, and the logic has been given its due and proper credit, it's only then that maybe we can explore the emotional side of things or that we're willing to explore the emotional side of things. But if you take a logical person and you say, how does that make you feel, their head's gonna blow off. It's like, oh, come on. Then you, you told don't get me. You don't understand me. Right? You don't understand what I'm up against and they're totally discounting you. But when you understand that, okay, wait a minute. How human beings are wired? We have a physical side, which is important. It's not to be discounted. We're not competing for which side is better. We need both. We need to develop both, both have a contribution in, and it's really important for you to understand that, regardless of which one you feel at this moment, you have highly developed. Like, we need both to find balance, to find a sense of self, to garner a foundation in our personal lives, as well as in our relationships. And so often it is so out of balance, it is so lopsided. And regardless of which side I feel like I am developing. I know I'm right. I know I'm right. I know I got this figured out after all I've been doing it for hundreds of years. So we say, and that's the feeling, that's the emotional side, as well as all the data and experiences the at register. Yep. You're right. I'm right. You're wrong. And so we spend an awful lot of time in our relationships trying to enroll our partners into becoming more like ourselves. When in reality, you got into this relationship because you saw an aspect of yourself that you didn't develop yet. And you want some of that. And that same desire when you step into this relationship becomes your nemesis. Right? In the end. It's like, ah, I don't get you. You don't get me. Right. You've gotta come to my side. And then it's gonna all work out without appreciating that we need both. Like both are so critically important.

 

Tom (29:45):

Okay. So leading with some teaching and understanding out of the front side, if you will, of the conversation rather than just stepping right in. Okay. That makes sense. All right. So now I understand I've got this navigation system, I've got some issues at home. Tell me now, what would be the remedy like the aspirin or whatever, when we scrape our knee or fall?

 

Staci (30:07):

Well, you're getting way ahead of yourself, Mr. Bartley. But I wanna go back to the dishes analogy that we were talking about in just a minute, the reason why I said, how does that, where do you go emotionally is I want you to understand a sea. It's not really about the dishes, the dishes and the sink are not the problems, but we're gonna argue about the dishes in the sink without exploring the emotional side of our navigation system, which is what does it mean for you? Where do you go emotionally when you see the dishes in the sink?

 

Tom (30:33):

It seems like I'm always the one that always has to do the dang dishes. Why is that?

 

Staci (30:39):

And go deeper emotionally. What do you start to make up is true about you and your relationship and your person?

 

Tom (30:47):

I feel like I'm always the one that does all the dishes and the sweeping and just so you know, ladies and gentlemen, that's not true at all. I'm just participating here in the conversation. Staci's incredible about keeping our house wonderful, but I feel like I'm not appreciated for all the times that I seem to do the dishes when you don't.

 

Staci (31:05):

Exactly. And then I start to believe that you don't really care about me, right? And I'm not important to you and you don't value my contribution to this relationship that it gets minimized and overlooked. And I just want you to know that those are all emotions that are running the show. They are running the scene. That's the interesting part about the emotional body. We, if we wanna discount it and we wanna set it aside, it is what runs life. It is what gives us motivation and desire. The moments that matter to us, come from the emotional side of the equation. And when we discount them, we are missing a huge part of our experience as human beings. And when we fight, if we could learn that it's not so much about the experiences that are playing out logistically, it's more about the way those logistics cause me to feel. And it's gonna be some version of I'm not important. You discounted me. You don't care what I have to say obviously don't care how I feel about this. It's always an emotional driver. Why? Because relationships are primarily emotion and their emotions in flow or not.

 

Tom (32:18):

And you may have heard us say often if you've been listening to our show and thank you so much, if you have that, we often sacrifice the circumstances versus, or for the experience. And so what Staci just shared, and again, no pointing fingers here. That's often what we think is the answer to our problem. And that's because we don't understand what we've been sharing. This whole part of this first part of our show is the navigation system. First thing Staci says, and I, well, you will, when people come and see us, look, it doesn't, we don't, doesn't no disrespect, but doesn't matter how you got here. I mean, we don't care about the circumstances. Why is that?

 

Staci (32:54):

Because the circumstances aren't gonna see us through, you've been already arguing about circumstances, meaning the logical aspects of your relationship. You've fought about the money. You've fought about the kids. You've fought about the family you've fought about your vocation.

 

Tom (33:09):

The affair.

 

Staci (33:10):

The affair, emotional or otherwise, right? You've pounded that into powder dust. Like you have so explored that, and yet you haven't made any progress. And so when it comes to people coming up to our door and engaging in our programs and the work that we do, those things really at the end of it, I don't wanna discount your experiences, cuz I know they're hard and they're challenging and they bring up a tremendous amount of emotion, but they're not going to be the things that see you through this it's gonna be the understanding of the emotions. It's gonna be understanding how you got here and where you go and sharing those things. And knowing that those emotions that you're feeling are heard and understood that's what's gonna see you through, it's an emotional journey, way more than it is a logical component of things. Now I do wanna say this. Sometimes there is a logical solution that we can implement into the emotional understanding to find our way through. So again, I don't wanna, I don't wanna paint the picture that emotions, Trump logic, because that's not true. Logic is just as important as emotions, but because we're untrained in regards to our emotional bodies, it's usually an emotional problem. And it's an emotional experience that got you into the relationship. And we sometimes discount that it was a feeling I experienced that made me go, let's build a life together. Let's do this thing. I can't wait until we can experience this and this and this and this. And we can buy a house and we can have kids. And you know, we can get a [inaudible] and take that trip and do all those things. I want you to realize that's an emotional driver inside of you in your emotional body.

 

Tom (34:54):

And would you say that a lot of, or many or most of our clients, even the initial problem or challenge that, you know, drove them to, to, you know, to work with us after you're able to work with them and explain the operating system and all that we've just shared in a much deeper and repetitive manner with the practice that their initial position, thinking that circumstance that drove them, there is a much different paradigm after this understanding becomes more felt and understood?

 

Staci (35:27):

Oh, it's, it's a game-changer because they, they finally go, oh, okay. Enrolling my partner into my side of the equation is not the answer. There are two, right? It's, it's two sides to this story. There are two experiences inside of me to explore. And there are two people involved in this experience. So we need to expand our capacity. And that's usually where the growth is. Personally is understanding I do of the capacity to do both. We all do, right? I've never met an emotional human being or an excuse me. I've never met a human being that doesn't have an emotional component to it. And I've never met a human being that can't switch and use their brain or their logic to sort and solve problems. We have the ability to do both often times we just didn't realize what both were going to give me, which is a sense of balance, a sense of understanding, a sense of foundation, both inside of myself and my relationship. So Tom, I think, I think we need to break this down a little more and I think we can do that through the physical lens because that's the lens that we really, really understand as human beings and the really good news about our navigation system is my emotional body works just like my physical body. So if I understand my physical body, it gives me a really good leg up in regards to where to go emotionally. Okay. So just so we can understand, it's, it's really not trying to trip us up or anything. So let's say for a moment, I have physical pain, I cut my finger and I cut my finger at the first thing. I want you to notice everything stops. When something physical happens, everybody goes, ha what happened? What do you need? What's going on? And so if I'm in a room of people and I cut my finger, the room's probably gonna stop if there's just a few of us in there and they understand what's happened. If I'm in a car accident, we have traffic that gets backed up for miles. We pause and we go, oh my gosh, what's the physical problem. And in that physical problem, I'm gonna look at my cut finger and I'm gonna do the next step, which is I'm gonna assess it. I'm gonna look at how deep is it? Can I handle this on my own? By the way, the pain just got my attention. And that's the first benefit of pain is, Hey, hello. I need your attention. Like right now, some things have been missed, let's, let's pay attention here. And so I, everything stops. I look at my hurt finger. It's cut, and then I'm gonna assess it. Is it too deep that I have to go get stitches? Or can I remedy this on my own? And nine times outta 10, I'm a to be able to remedy on my own. So I'm gonna run it under some water, dry it off with a paper towel, put some Neosporin on it, add a bandaid, and then we're gonna move on for the day or the evening. Okay. And I'm gonna watch it though. Tomorrow morning when I get up, I'm gonna probably take the bandaid off. I'm gonna look at it, make sure it's healing. It's going in the direction that I it to go. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to come back and go, Hmm. Okay, wait a minute. This is getting infected. Okay. Or, mm, steeper than I thought, maybe I do really need to go get some stitches today and I'm gonna raise my hand and I'm gonna go get some help. And I wanna point out here that we have waiting rooms in the emergency room full of people who are willing to wait 2, 3, 6, 8 hours to get help when they don't know what else to do with their physical body. The other thing that I wanna point out about our physical body is we trust and know it will heal. And that's important because we, that, by being active living life, there are risks afoot that we are willing to accept and embrace. I would never think in my physical body that I'm not gonna have pain again ever. Especially when we start thinking about headaches and stomach aches, let alone falling off a curb, cutting my finger while cooking myriad of physical pain that could, or I come into my life into my world experience is at large, enormous. There are lots of possibilities where I put myself at risk and yet I'm okay. And at peace with that, some of that is because we have remedies for lots of physical elements and pain. I know what to do for a headache. I know what to do for a stomach ache. I know what to do when I, when I fix my finger, etcetera. And so I used to panic when I was younger, but I know I have remedies that have been taught to me and handed down from generation to generation. So I don't panic anymore. I simply just go apply the remedy. I watch it. I reassess. Right. And then at some point in time, I know it's gonna heal and I let it go. I'm done with it.

 

Tom (40:03):

So I know where you're leading. I don't know if many of us, in all fairness be what we would like to say in the spirit of full disclosure. I don't know if we take that same remedy approach to our emotional pain. I think a lot of us don't even realize that there is a myriad of remedies available.

 

Staci (40:19):

Oh my goodness. So that's where absolutely I'm going. Let's look at how we handle our emotional pain in comparison.

 

Tom (40:26):

Pretty small toolbox, I bet.

 

Staci (40:28):

If one at all.

 

Tom (40:29):

Or if there is even.

 

Staci (40:31):

What do we do with our emotional pain?

 

Tom (40:33):

Stuff it, or, or overwhelm, tsunami people with it.

 

Staci (40:37):

Does anybody stop? Is there a group of people? Does the dinner party stop? No, course not. That would be crazy. We would go. That's ridiculous. Do I assess it? If I'm an emotionally developed person in my navigation system, I'm gonna spend a lot of time with it, processing it down for sure. But I'm gonna get stuck there because the reality is I don't have a lot of remedies and I didn't know to watch it. And I didn't know, even begin to understand how to let it go. I also wanna point out that we don't trust our emotional bodies to heal as our physical bodies do. Like we don't think that we can move on from things that are really, really emotionally difficult and challenging. And I want you to know absolutely. We can. Absolutely. We have the capacity to do that. We don't often heal from those things though, because we keep re-injuring it unknowingly. We keep obsessing about it. And the other thing that's interesting about our emotional experiences is we feel that we can't let go of the emotional pain because if we do, then it's gonna ensure that it happens again. And what we don't realize is that actually, if you don't let go of it, you're ensuring that it's gonna happen again. You just keep yourself in pain, much longer if you are on it and not letting it go, because you've just eliminated the piece of repose or take a breath right in the up and flow of life. That's a hard one for us to get our head around the letting go part. The trusting is gonna heal, knowing that you have the capacity, the intelligence, and the ability who heal and move on from emotional pain, let alone have no remedies. What are your thoughts there?

 

Tom (42:20):

No, it makes perfect logical sense, you know, why is it, you know, in working with our clients, do you find that it takes a lot of practice? I would. What comes to mind immediately is I should ask that question because we simply have never done it very often.

 

Staci (42:37):

Well, yeah. We've never practiced. We've not had this conversation ever. And that's why I say this. This has gotta change. We have to understand that emotional pain is a part of life just as you wouldn't think that you're gonna step out into the physical experiences of life and not have pain at some point in time. So it is with our emotional bodies that are normal and natural. It does not mean that you screwed it up. Maybe you made mistakes, but they're always recoverable. They really are. Unless I continue to blame and criticize myself or my partner.

 

Tom (43:12):

So in expanding the, excuse me for expanding our toolbox then, so let's, as we start to land this part of the matter part of our show, what give people some really, really great remedies that they can put into their life right now.

 

Staci (43:24):

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I'm gonna do better than that. I'm gonna give you steps for handling your emotional pain. And before I do, I want you to understand where it is. We typically go with our emotional pain because we all have survival skills. Just like we have a survival skill with our physical wellbeing. We all have survival skills with our emotional bodies. And that survival skill is one of two or either gonna switch into control and control usually happens for those who are of the more logical, statistical right. Get her kind of side of the equation. They'll go to a place of control where they're gonna push the agenda. They're gonna do the research. They're gonna figure it all out. And they're gonna insist that we do it this way. Okay. Control is where I step in. I take charge, right? And I'm gonna push the agenda. And I really don't care what anybody else has to say about it. The other side of this is collapse and collapses. I acquiesce, I check out I go, whatever you wanna do, I don't care anymore. I'm tired of trying to get my point across and we bottom out there.

 

Tom (44:32):

And that would be people that typically are on the more emotional side of the scale.

 

Staci (44:36):

Well, and what's interesting to note, and I find this very fascinating because I love my work, it's typical there's a controller and a collapser in every relationship I call that the perfect match. Not because you're gonna ride off into the sunset and live happily ever after, but they're the counterbalances to each other. Right. So fascinating to note that. Two controllers, as they say, the five rights are epic. And so is the sex. They're not gonna probably go the long haul because it's a very explosive relationship. Two collapsers, not much is gonna happen. They could sustain a long relationship, but it's not gonna be filled with a lot of right life living emotional memories because of everybody's flatlining. Nobody wants to talk about it. It's the place where we have the two who, a nice relationship. Everybody doesn't wanna hurt anybody elses feelings or be disrespectful. So nobody says anything and shows up anywhere. Okay? So, so typically those relationships don't do very well, but the ones that are trying to really work on it, see it through, grow it into something that's amazing. They know they have the capacity to do that is get to be some component of this control and collapse. I do wanna point out that those control and collapse experiences are survival modes. Survival mode doesn't solve a problem. Survival mode just buys you time to figure it out, to understand it.

 

Tom (00:56):

So expanding our toolbox outside of just those two, you know, remedies, which they're really not remedies. They're survival mechanisms. What as we land this? What can people add?

 

Staci (01:07):

Yeah. So I wanna give you just, as we do look at our physical body, we're gonna take those same remedies and invite you to contemplate them and implement them into your own life one at a time. And step one would be because we have to counterbalance this, run around, do something fast, and make a decision now, which is usually not the best idea. We don't wanna feel the emotional pain. So we'll make dramatic decisions the now instantaneously. When it comes to loving relationships, usually the button we push is I can't do this anymore. This relationship is over. We, if we don't turn this around, we're gonna break up. I'm gonna end this. We're gonna get a divorce. And we make those decisions in the haste of an emotional moment, without any understanding and clarity to it. So the first thing we need to do is sit our butts down and we need to breathe. And the reason why is that connects your navigation system. The next thing we need to do is assess what's going on. And this is gonna be, remember, we're talking about emotion here. What hurts? What pain are you dealing with right now? What's not working. And once I have that, instead of staying stuck there, which is what most of us do is we just ruminate about the pain. We wanna find a remedy. We wanna find something that will help us move on and move forward to take the next best step. A step forward is always gonna be better than hanging out where we are. So anything we'll do. And most of us have no remedies in our filing cabinets. Like that cabinet is empty. So hence we start to understand why we panic when it comes to our emotions, we panic because we don't know what else to do. We don't have any tried and true recipes that we've passed down. That we talk about that we share. Some of those remedies are usually the ability to first slow down and understand what's going on for you. And then sometimes it's connecting with nature. Sometimes it's going for an exercise journey. Sometimes it's writing down and exploring our emotions and what they mean in the feeling components. Sometimes it's advocating for myself. Sometimes it's cleaning up a mess. Sometimes it's speaking up and all of these are remedies that we can help you add to your toolbox. And then we gotta watch it. Is it taking me in the direction I wanna go? Is it taking me to my next best step? Right? Are we moving and making progress here? If not, I'm gonna go back to finding a remedy. What's another one. What's another one. Maybe I need to get some help. Maybe I need to ask and say, I don't know what to do. Let me get supported here. And then the last one, which is usually the difficult, the most difficult of all is to let it go. Let it go. Because if it's a problem, it's gonna show up in the future. Don't worry about that. Don't worry about when, when it's gonna happen again because then you're just gonna keep yourself in pain for the long haul. Let it go. Take a breath and trust and know that if it's a problem in your relationship it will show up again in the future. So I hope you got those. Sit down, breathe, and assess it. Find a remedy. Start building that repertoire. Your best guess is a great place to begin. Watch it. Make sure it's taking you to the place you wanna go. And then, ah, exhale. Let it go and know you did your best. And if it's a problem, we didn't solve it. It's gonna show up again. All right. That's a lot to think about. We're gonna let you take a break here and let that settle in. As we take a break as well, we'll be back with a little bit of fun.

 

Staci (04:41):

Hey babe, did you know that the average couple spends only two hours a day with each other? And the majority of that time is spent eating, watching TV, and surfing social media rather than connecting with each other. And if children are involved, my gosh, it's even less time than that.

 

Tom (04:55):

I know, babe. That's why you created our conversation cards for connection, cuz they're the perfect conversation starter. So the next time you're sitting on the couch rather than turning on the TV or grabbing your phone, pull out a card and get ready for some good old-fashioned laughter and love and connection.

 

Staci (05:08):

You can get your cards at Stacibartley.com.

 

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Tom (05:46):

Welcome back. We are to Staci Bartley inside Love Shack, and we're gonna step right into the follow the fun. What are what's our fun, Mrs. Bartley?

 

Staci (05:54):

Wow. We're gonna create a newlywed show. Do you remember that, babe? When we were growing up, there was a newlywed show. We're gonna kind of date ourselves right now, but.

 

Tom (06:01):

And I even asked you at our pre-show meeting, like, do you remember the host of the newlywed show?

 

Staci (06:06):

No, I didn't.

 

Tom (06:06):

Bob Newhart.

 

Staci (06:07):

Yeah. And so.

 

Tom (06:09):

He had really nice. He had bouffant hair. Remember? It was always looking tight and gelled up.

 

Staci (06:15):

And for those of you who don't have a connection or a familiarity with this show, it was these newlyweds that were newly married. And they'd put 'em on this panel and they'd ask questions to see how well they really knew each other.

 

Tom (06:26):

Right. And you'd win points if you, you know, whoever had the best aggregates, they'd ask some of the ones, you know, spouse, and then they would change it up and ask the other spouse.

 

Staci (06:34):

Yeah. Yeah. And so I want, I wanna help you create a version of this in your own home. So I'm gonna encourage you sometime this week to get your favorite beverage. And I'm gonna give you some questions here that you can explore with your partner. And here's the thing I thought it would be really cool to like give you a demonstration of this. So the questions that we're about to share, we don't know. And we're gonna see how well Tom and Staci know each other, and then you can take these same questions and you can create a version of the newlywed show in your own life. So Tom, which article of clothing does your partner dislike the most? Meaning me. What article of clothing do I dislike the most?

 

Tom (07:14):

I would think all articles of clothing. Ooh la la, ladies and gentlemen, and our wonderful producer just let us know that it's not Bob Newheart it's Bob Newbank. Sorry, but he did have good hair, right, Eric? He had great hair, but anyway, I would say as far as clothing and my wife not really any of the clothing.

 

Staci (07:32):

Oh, honey. Wow. That is true. I'm not necessarily.

 

Tom (07:35):

We're gonna keep it radio-friendly. Don't be worried.

 

Staci (07:37):

A clothes happy person. Yeah, it's true. It's true. I would say the underwear is my least favorite.

 

Tom (07:43):

Oh my, yeah. We're gonna just move right past that one and go to question two. Eric's got his favorite.

 

Staci (07:47):

Wait a minute. What is yours?

 

Tom (07:49):

My least favorite, I would say I love to take my shoes off when I've had 'em on all day. Shoes and socks.

 

Staci (07:54):

I guess I was supposed to know that and I didn't.

 

Tom (07:56):

Oh, you're right. Yeah.

 

Staci (07:58):

Yeah. That's true. Okay. Number two question. Name the number one country your partner would like to visit. Oh, that's a slam dunk.

 

Tom (08:06):

Italy.

 

Staci (08:07):

I'm supposed to know. Remember?

 

Tom (08:10):

Well, it's the same for both of us. We've been tainted. Okay. And I'm gonna step in now in the interest of time, we gotta get this party moving. What habit does your partner find most annoying?

 

Staci (08:21):

Oh, I tell you what, when you're doing this, get out, get out. Don't bother me right now. Right? That is a habit that I just go. Oh.

 

Tom (08:29):

Or if you're watching on YouTube right now, if I, you know, Staci, I wish you would shut your yapper, you know? So you just take your forefingers and when you just go like that. It means Staci's supposed to shut her mouth.

 

Staci (08:41):

What's mine?

 

Tom (08:43):

So what do I find most annoying in you? Oh, this morning, like my little cupcake has to have a little bit of coffee in her hand when we walk our dog, like honey. Could we start the water because our dog is howling because mom put her shoes on mom? No, my wonderful wife put her shoes on, but yet the water wasn't boiling. So we had a lot of howling unnecessarily.

 

Staci (09:05):

That's the most annoying thing that happens? Okay. What's one of your most favorite precious belongings? What, I mean, mine, what's my precious belonging

 

Tom (09:19):

I would say your keepsake things from your children. Like, you know, precious pictures.

 

Staci (09:24):

I'm surprised you didn't say the dog.

 

Tom (09:28):

That's a conversation for another time. Ladies and gentlemen, as we, as we're moving now into.

 

Staci (09:32):

Wait a minute. There's one more I wanna give 'em. What are your partner's biggest dreams? So have some fun with this, go back and forth. See what you know about your partners and share these ideas with each other. And if you wanna get on our fun list for more ideas like this, then get on our fun list.

 

Tom (09:47):

Really quick, wrap it up, follow excuse. What are we feeling? What are we feeling really fast?

 

Staci (09:52):

Yes. It's our song of the day. And it's Lessons by Eric Roberton. Eric Roberson talks about lessons.

 

Tom (09:59):

Check it out. It's a beautiful song. Actually. We listened to it first and watched the video before we did our show prep. So we're gonna have to wrap this up one quick. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks to Eric Rider, our producer, and engineer on KKNW, wherever you're listening to us, we are live on YouTube. Live on Facebook. We're on wherever you find on your podcast. And we have all our show notes and transcription everything on our website. So we are here to be of service.

 

Staci (10:22):

And if you want a free copy of our book, make sure you get on the list at lifetime, what is it, honey?

 

Tom (10:29):

Lifetimeoflove.me. We have a very special episode next week. That's all I can share, but it's gonna be different in lots of different ways. So you don't wanna miss it.

 

Staci (10:36):

See you next week. Thanks for being here with us.

 

Tom (10:38):

Bye, bye now.

 

Outro (10:46):

Thanks for joining us today in the Love Shack. We hope you came away with something that made your toes tingle to learn more about everything you heard on today's show, go to StaciBartley.com/podcast. Love the show? Help us spread the love by sharing the show with others. Okay. Everybody, time to go. We gotta close the doors to the Love Shack for this week. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. Come back next week though, and join us for another edition of Love Shack live with Tom and Staci Bartley.